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susieq Active Indicator LED Icon 6 OP 
~ 1 year, 12 mos ago   May 25, '22 5:21pm  
Yes, I do know what an assault gun is. For an 18 year old to walk into a gun shop and walk out with two guns and high capacity cartridges is not a good idea. As for power, yes, I know about that to. I know about hunting guns. OK, lets leave out the assault type an go for high capacity magazines. I also know that most guns used in crimes are stolen, and also hand guns. I also know, "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." I know all the catch phrases thrown around by both sides. Maybe my phrasing or idea isn't the best, but tell me, what is your solution? How many more little kids need to die before something is done? From what the news is saying, he walked in and walked out with the guns the same day. Surely that is not correct.
 
Interviews are all over the place now. He was a loner. His face was scared, when asked why, he said he cut himself. He argued with his grandmother, posted on FB he was going to shoot her, and shot her in the face. He posted on Face Book he was going to the school. Some reports say he said what he was going to do, others say he just said he was going. He did shoot a police officer outside the school, then ran inside and went in the classroom. After that, I think it is pretty clear what he did. One child died while trying to call 911. His grandmother is still alive in the hospital. He was killed in a shoot out with police.
 
None of this resolves or fixes anything. People will argue, both sides will continue to spout their views, and more kids will die. Life continues, at least for some.
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MalluGuy Active Indicator LED Icon 4
~ 1 year, 12 mos ago   May 25, '22 5:53pm  
@susieq : For an 18 year old to buy a long rifle especially in Uvalde is the least bit unusual. Kids go hunting with their parent at a very young age out there. i have no answers, sounds like the school was secure and he shot through the resource officer to get inside. I have no solutions. I am just one of the many complainers.
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susieq Active Indicator LED Icon 6 OP 
~ 1 year, 12 mos ago   May 25, '22 5:56pm  
@MalluGuy : Is it common to buy high capacity magazines to go hunting? I never knew anyone who did.
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MalluGuy Active Indicator LED Icon 4
~ 1 year, 12 mos ago   May 25, '22 5:59pm  
@susieq : I agree that he had no intention of going hunting when purchasing that particular style rifle or the magazines. The issue is if you ban this gun because of its "style" then what next? Rifles made of wood and metal?
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susieq Active Indicator LED Icon 6 OP 
~ 1 year, 12 mos ago   May 25, '22 6:08pm  
@MalluGuy : I am not familiar with Texas law on this type of gun. Does it not require a back ground check and waiting period? If not, maybe it should. Things often done in haste might not have happened if he had time to think and settle down a bit.
 
I don't know the answers, no one does. But this has to stop, it just has to.
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Blackbird Active Indicator LED Icon 4
~ 1 year, 12 mos ago   May 25, '22 7:22pm  
From what I've read, it did require a few background checks to buy that weapon, but Abbot rescinded those laws recently. Which is why I look forward to his NRA speech about to happen. Abbot, Cornyn, Cruz, I'd like to see how they justify this, if they even try.
I don't normally get into these arguments, because I'm woefully ignorant about them and guns in general. I guess it's time to change that.
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~ 1 year, 12 mos ago   May 25, '22 7:53pm  
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Blackbird Active Indicator LED Icon 4
~ 1 year, 12 mos ago   May 25, '22 8:25pm  
And he did turn 18 just a few days ago. His ADULT record hadn't begun to be tabulated, and his he had no record before. Prob because the adults in his life didn't want to acknowledge or be investigated.
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damascus1986 Active Indicator LED Icon 7 App
~ 1 year, 12 mos ago   May 25, '22 8:49pm  
I'm not sure laws will effect the people we want to stop where there is a will there is a way. In my previous life I knew dealers (drug dealers) that had older military weapons stuff the public shouldn't be around. In the past weeks we saw shootings in 2 states that have stricter gun laws. With video games there is a rating to see if the game should be played by children. Personally I blow people's heads off all the time but know that's a game and have no desire to kill unless you break in and threaten to harm my loved ones. I choose not to carry my firearm but feel safer knowing some of you maybe carrying when I'm in Walmart. What happened the other day is tragic. Maybe the path is more about working on the mental health of those who have deep issues. I do think gun reform will be uses like the war on drugs, war on terror and so on as. A platform to get votes while most of the time they make the issues worse. Just my 2 cents.
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Dorothy Active Indicator LED Icon 7
~ 1 year, 12 mos ago   May 25, '22 9:21pm  
What can we do?
 
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Aylin Woodward,Erin Snodgrass
Wed, May 25, 2022, 6:46 PM·18 min read
Samuel Lerma, Arzetta Hodges and Desiree Qunitana join mourners taking in a vigil at El Paso High School after a mass shooting at a Walmart store in El Paso, Texas, U.S. August 3, 2019. REUTERS/Jose Luis Gonzalez
Mourners take part in a vigil at El Paso High School after a mass shooting at a Walmart store in El Paso, Texas, August 3, 2019.Jose Luis Gonzalez/Reuters
On Tuesday, a gunman killed 21 people, including 19 children at a school in Uvalde, Texas.
 
Data from the CDC shows that 39,773 people in the US die from firearms every year.
 
Despite restrictions on gun control research, scientists evaluated how policies affect gun deaths.
 
Visit Business Insider's homepage for more stories.
 
On Tuesday, an 18-year-old gunman opened fire at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, killing 21 people, including 19 children.
 
Earlier this month, a different 18-year-old man dressed in tactical gear and livestreaming on Twitch, fatally shot 10 people in a supermarket in Buffalo, New York, in what authorities described as a racially motivated mass shooting.
 
Already in 2022, the US has seen 27 school shootings and more than 200 mass shootings, according to the Gun Violence Archive.
 
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott in a Wednesday press conference suggested that mental health concerns are in part, responsible for the rise in mass shootings over the past few decades, but scientific research doesn't support those claims. Experts have repeatedly shown that mental health issues are not predictive of violence.
 
What science has demonstrated, however, is that the number of gun deaths in the US is much higher than in other nations with similar rates of gun ownership - like Switzerland - and that certain policies can help prevent these fatalities. Studies have linked stricter background checks, rules prohibiting domestic abusers from owning weapons, and secure locks on firearms in the home with decreased rates of gun-related deaths.
 
Read More: Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership - here's why it doesn't have mass shootings
 
Here's what the data shows.
 
In 2017, 39,773 people in the US died from firearms, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
 
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Flowers and mementos are seen at a makeshift memorial outside Walmart, near the scene of a mass shooting that left at least 22 people dead, on August 4, 2019 in El Paso, Texas.Mario Tama/Getty Images
Most of these firearm deaths are not from mass shootings, but from suicides and homicides, according to the CDC.
 
There are close to as many guns in the US as there are people. There may be more, or there may be less, depending on which study you look at - there's no exact count, since there isn't a national database of gun purchases or firearm owners. Federal law does not require gun owners to get a license or permit.
 
That's one of the many obstacles researchers face when trying to evaluate why so many people die from guns in the US and what might prevent those deaths.
 
Gun violence is one the most poorly researched causes of death in America, according to a 2017 study.
 
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More than 80 family members and friends of people who were killed by gun violence gather for a news conference with Congressional Democrats to call for action on gun violence prevention, December 15, 2016 in Washington, DC.Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images
"In relation to mortality rates, gun-violence research was the least-researched cause of death and the second-least-funded cause of death," the authors of that study wrote.
 
The study ascribed this paucity of research to a 1996 congressional appropriations bill called the Dickey Amendment, which stipulated that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention may be used to advocate or promote gun control."
 
Former President Donald Trump signed a bill in 2018 that weakened the Dickey Amendment - the new legal provision gives the CDC permission to research the causes of gun violence. But the amendment still maintains a ban on "using appropriated funding to advocate or promote gun control."
 
Researchers do know, however, that the annual number of people who died from firearm injuries worldwide rose from 209,000 to 251,000 between 1990 and 2016.
 
People gather in Juarez, Mexico, Saturday, Aug. 3, 2019, in a vigil for the 3 Mexican nationals who were killed in an El Paso shopping-complex shooting. Twenty people were killed and more than two dozen injured in a shooting Saturday in a busy shopping area in the Texas border town of El Paso, the state's governor said. (AP Photo/Christian Chavez)
People gather in Juarez, Mexico on August 3, 2019 in a vigil for the three Mexican nationals who were killed in an El Paso shooting.Christian Chavez/Associated Press
According to a recent study in the Journal of the American Medical Association, six countries - Brazil, Mexico, Colombia, Venezuela, Guatemala, and the US - accounted for 50.5% of the 251,000 global firearm deaths in 2016.
 
More than 60% of worldwide firearm deaths that year were homicides, while 27% were firearm suicide deaths, and 9% were unintentional firearm deaths.
 
The chart below shows an American's odds of dying in a gun assault or a mass shooting as of 2018, as compared to other causes of death.
 
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Accidental gun deaths and suicides using guns are not included in these numbers.Shayanne Gal/Business Insider
An American's chance of dying from gun violence overall is more than 22 times greater than the lifetime risk of dying while riding inside a car, truck, or van (though that category excludes pedestrian, cyclist, and other deaths outside of a motor vehicle). It's also more than 10 times as high as dying from any force of nature, such as a hurricane, tornado, earthquake, or flood.
 
 
In remarks following the El Paso and Dayton shootings, President Trump blamed "gruesome video games" and "mentally ill monsters" for the violence. A wealth of research contradicts both claims.
 
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President Trump departs after speaking about the shootings in El Paso and Dayton in the White House on August 5, 2019.Leah Millis/Reuters
In his comments after shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, Trump said "mental illness and hatred pulls the trigger, not the gun." He called for improvements to mental health treatment and, "when necessary, involuntary confinement" of mentally ill people.
 
Decades of research, however, have shown that mental illness is not a cause of violence; in fact, a person with mental illness is far more likely to be a victim of violence than a perpetrator.
 
A 2016 study from the American Psychiatric Association found that "mass shootings by people with serious mental illness represent less than 1% of all yearly gun-related homicides," and that "the overall contribution of people with serious mental illness to violent crimes is only about 3%."
 
A study published in 2019 supports those findings: Having a mental illness does not make a person more likely to commit gun violence. A better indicator was their access to firearms.
 
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The authors of the study, which published in the journal Preventative Medicine, found that individuals who had access to guns were over 18 times more likely to have threatened someone with a gun compared to people without such gun access.
 
"What we found is that the link between mental illness and gun violence is not there," one of the authors, Yu Lu, said in a press release.
 
There is a link between reduced access to guns and lower rates of suicide.
 
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Gun safety and suicide prevention brochures on display next to guns for sale at a local retail gun store in Montrose, Colorado, February 23, 2016.Associated Press/Brennan Linsley
More than 60% of the nearly 40,000 annual gun deaths in the US are suicides, according to the CDC; that's almost double the number of homicides.
 
Data from other countries suggests there's a link between reduced availability of guns and fewer suicides. One study found that after the Israel Defense Forces stopped letting soldiers bring weapons home on the weekends, suicide rates dropped by 40%.
 
Barring people convicted of domestic abuse from owning guns also decreases the number of gun deaths.
 
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A woman who has been beaten by her husband, holds her child in a shelter for women who suffered from domestic violence.Pavel Golovkin/AP
The Lautenberg Amendment to the 1968 Gun Control Act disqualifies people with a misdemeanor conviction for domestic violence from buying or owning weapons.
 
According to a 2017 study, gun murders of female intimate partners decreased by 17% as a result of that amendment.
 
A 2018 report published by Everytown, a non-profit dedicated to reducing gun violence in the US, indicates that in at least 54% of mass shootings, the perpetrator also shot a current or former intimate partner or family member.
 
After Congress let a 1994 ban on assault weapons expire in 2004, gun massacre deaths skyrocketed.
 
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A potential buyer looks at a gun at the Heckler & Koch booth at the Shooting, Hunting, and Outdoor Trade Show in Las Vegas, Nevada, January 19, 2016.John Locher/AP
When people in the US were allowed to start buying military-style firearms with high-capacity magazines (which enable shooters to discharge many rounds of ammunition in a short amount of time), the number of people killed in gun massacres - defined as shootings in which at least six people die - shot up 239%.
 
By contrast, after the 1994 ban on assault weapons went into effect, the number of gun massacre deaths decreased by 43%, as researcher Louis Klarevas reported in his book "Rampage Nation."
 
There's still debate about whether assault-rifle regulation is effective at reducing overall firearm deaths, since most gun deaths in the US are suicides. But most of the deadliest mass shootings in recent US history involved a military-style weapon with a high-capacity magazine.
 
If US law makers do make policy changes, banning high-capacity magazines and renewing the assault weapons ban should be at the top of their lists, one researcher said.
 
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A custom-made semi-automatic hunting rifle with a high-capacity detachable magazine is displayed at a gun store in Rockin, California, October 3, 2013.Associated Press/Rich Pedroncelli
"Nearly every mass shooting illustrates that large-capacity magazines can increase the death toll and that forcing a shooter to reload more frequently can provide opportunities for counter-attack by those around," John Donohue, who researches mass shootings at Stanford University, previously told Business Insider.
 
He added: "Accordingly, a ban on high-capacity magazines is absolutely essential if one wants to reduce the loss of life from active-shooter scenarios."
 
There's a widening gap between the number of gun deaths in states with relaxed gun-control laws and states with more restrictive policies, according to a study published in 2019.
 
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For the study, researchers assigned each of the 50 US states an aggregate "firearm laws score," ranging from 0 (completely restrictive) to 100 (completely permissive). These scores accounted for 13 factors, including gun permit requirements, if and where guns are allowed to be carried and kept, and whether state laws ensure a right to self-defense.
 
The results suggested that a 10-unit increase in the permissiveness of state gun laws (according to the scoring system) was associated with an 11.5% higher rate of mass shootings.
 
What's more, every state's score shifted towards greater permissiveness from 1998 to 2014.
 
States that have stricter background-check laws for gun purchases have fewer school shootings.
 
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Mourners pray around a memorial in front of Santa Fe High School on May 21, 2018 in Santa Fe, Texas.Getty Images/Scott Olson
A 2018 study found that states with stricter background checks for weapon and ammunition purchases had fewer school shootings.
 
States that spent more money on education and mental health care also had lower rates of school shootings.
 
Though not the most common form of gun violence, school shootings have spiked in the US: There was an average of one per year from 1966 to 2008, but an average of one per week from 2013 to 2015, the same study found.
 
In 2018, the American Association for the Surgery of Trauma called for gun policies that they say will make Americans safer, including removing firearms from domestic-violence perpetrators and regulating the sale of semi-automatic weapons.
 
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Dr. Faran Bokhari, head of the trauma department at Stroger Hospital in Chicago (second from right), and Dr. Jared Bernard, a lieutenant commander and trauma surgeon in the US Navy (third from left), work together during surgery of a gunshot victim, August 6, 2014.AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh
In a statement published in the journal Trauma Surgery & Acute Care Open on August 7, 2018, the Board of Managers for the American Association for the Surgery of Trauma issued 14 recommendations "in an attempt to stem the tide of deaths from firearm violence and support safe firearm ownership."
 
The list also includes regulating the sale of high volume ammunition, bump stocks, and trigger actuators. The surgeons want mandatory reporting of all firearm sales as well.
 
Researchers at Johns Hopkins University in 2019 pinpointed 10 policies that could reduce gun violence in the state of Illinois. Their recommendations are similar to the surgeons' list.
 
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Nortasha Stingiey (second from left) hold hands in a group prayer during a news conference by "Purpose over Pain," a group of mothers who lost children to gun violence in Chicago, Illinois, May 6, 2016.REUTERS/Jim Young
The suggested policies include banning the sale of new assault weapons, denying concealed-carry licenses to some individuals, and prohibiting firearm sales to people convicted of multiple alcohol-related offenses.
 
The most significant change the researchers recommended, however, would be to require gun purchasers to apply for a license in person with law enforcement and undergo safety training, rather than applying online or by mail without training.
 
These recommendations mirror some of Switzerland's gun policies. In that country, nearly one in four people legally owns a gun, but there hasn't been a mass shooting in almost two decades.
 
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Nina Christen of Switzerland shoots in a training session prior to the start of the 2016 Olympic Games, August 4, 2016 in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil.Sam Greenwood/Getty Images
Swiss authorities keep a log of everyone who owns a gun in their region.
 
They can also decide on a local level whether to give people gun permits, and police don't take that duty lightly. They might vet the person by consulting a psychiatrist or talking with authorities in other areas in which a prospective gun buyer has lived. People who've been convicted of a crime or have an alcohol or drug addiction aren't allowed to buy guns in Switzerland. The law also states that anyone who "expresses a violent or dangerous attitude" won't be allowed to buy a gun.
 
Most Swiss citizens aren't allowed to carry their guns in public - getting a concealed-carry permit is difficult for people who don't work as security officers or police.
 
FILE PHOTO: A concealed carry holster is displayed for sale at the Guntoberfest gun show in Oaks, Pennsylvania, U.S., October 6, 2017. REUTERS/Joshua Roberts
A concealed carry holster is displayed for sale at the Guntoberfest gun show in Oaks, Pennsylvania, October 6, 2017.Joshua Roberts/Reuters
In the US, states that have right-to-carry (RTC) gun laws allow anyone who can own a gun and meet necessary conditions to get a concealed-carry permit. Four decades ago, only five states allowed the concealed carry of firearms. By 2014, all but eight states had reinstated RTC laws.
 
One 2017 study found that concealed-carry laws increased the rate of firearm homicides by 9% when homicide rates were compared state by state.
 
Research shows that states that require background checks on all gun sales had 35% fewer gun deaths per capita between 2009 and 2012.
 
The scene of a mass shooting in Dayton, Ohio.
Bodies are removed from the scene of a mass shooting, August 4, 2019, in Dayton, Ohio.John Minchillo / Associated Press
Currently, US law only requires background checks when people buy guns from licensed firearms dealers. However, research from the nonpartisan Rand Corporation estimates that universal background checks could prevent 1,100 homicides per year.
 
Seventeen US states and the District of Columbia also have "red-flag laws," which allow family members and law enforcement to file Extreme Risk Protection Orders that restrict or temporarily remove a person's access to firearms if their behavior suggests they pose a violent threat.
 
Former President Trump endorsed those laws, saying, "we must make sure that those judged to pose a grave risk to public safety do not have access to firearms and that if they do, those firearms can be taken through rapid due process."
 
 
Rates of accidental shootings are also higher when people - especially children - are around more guns.
 
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Police lead children away from Sandy Hook Elementary following a mass shooting on December 14, 2012, in Newtown, Connecticut. Twenty-six people died in the attack.AP Photo/Newton Bee/Shannon Hicks
In December 2012, a gunman killed 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut. The tragedy gave rise to calls for gun-control regulation, and that resulted in what's now a predictable phenomenon: People bought more guns.
 
With more guns around in the months after the Sandy Hook shooting, the rate of accidental deaths related to firearms rose sharply, especially among children, according to a study published in the journal Science. The calculations showed that 40 adults and 20 children died as a result of those additional gun purchases.
 
Many accidental gun deaths can be avoided, though, if gun owners lock up their firearms.
 
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Students from Centreville, Virginia wear targets on their chests at the March for Our Lives rally on March 24, 2018 in Washington, DC.Win McNamee/Getty
In 2015, 13 million US households with children contained firearms. Fewer than one in three of those households, however, followed the American Academy of Pediatrics' recommendations to store all household firearms locked and unloaded.
 
A study published this year found that up to 32% of youth suicides and accidental firearm deaths (with youth defined as any person 19 years old or younger) could be prevented if the remainder of these households were to lock up their guns.
 
Specifically, the researchers found that if 20% of households that keep at least one gun unlocked started locking up all their guns within a year, between 72 and 135 youth firearm fatalities could be prevented.
 
Longer prison sentences for crimes involving a gun - like armed robbery and assault with a deadly weapon - have also been shown to help reduce violent firearm use.
 
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Gun-robbery rates have gone down in states that approved longer sentences for assault or robbery with a gun. In the 1970s and 1980s, legislators passed 30 laws calling for additional p
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Ella Active Indicator LED Icon
~ 1 year, 11 mos ago   May 26, '22 2:36pm  
@Megyn1 : Because of all the break ins, it is wise to have something to defend yourself and your family. There are too many thugs that won't work so their past time is breaking into people's homes and stealing what someone else has worked for. I believe that everyone should be able to protect them self and their loved ones. However, a person should be very careful to lock up their guns so children want find them. Too many kids have shot themselves or another child just because it was lying out in plain sight.
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TC2u Active Indicator LED Icon
~ 1 year, 11 mos ago   May 26, '22 2:44pm  
Anyone consider that AR was stopped with a pistol? It's not the guns...
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~ 1 year, 11 mos ago   May 26, '22 3:19pm  
All the laws in the world are not going to stop a person with intent to harm others. They will simply choose another tool. I agree the tool is not the issue it's the operator.
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~ 1 year, 11 mos ago   May 26, '22 3:28pm  
@Dorothy : I appreciate all the info there... I really don't know what to think and I definitely don't know what the answer is. Or what the answers are - it seems like there are different factors involved in the different types of gun violence that occur, so there is no one solution or remedy.
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susieq Active Indicator LED Icon 6 OP 
~ 1 year, 11 mos ago   May 26, '22 4:26pm  
@Ella : My husband doesn't even know where "things" are kept.
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