@Hal71 : It gives a whole new meaning to the word “ Justice” , it only applies to certain individuals , it doesn’t matter to them what the long term effects may be on the other parent , my child was brain washed so bad to the point she told lies about me , was told she was going on a two week African Safari trip etc ... because she was old enough to choose who she wanted to live with the courts allowed her to pick , I had no say in the matter but in the documents that I have that was used in court against me puts all blame and admits that my ex- has an alcohol problem. My lawyer took my $8,500 just to tell me that the other two lawyers agreed with him that I was st no fault , but I should be glad that she would be safe , and that 4 years isn’t that long . No child should be able to choose to live with another relative in another state when the other parent was doing everything right and nothing wrong , I don’t even know what my daughter looks like now , or where she goes to school , but her father does as she visits him but yet I have no contact , she won’t speak to me , they blocked my number , and i still have joint managing conservative , but yet my parental rights have been violated constantly . The damage is beyond repair now , my scars I’ll have for a lifetime mentally. Emotionally and physically .